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	<title>Comments on: Review: The Mormons Part 1 on PBS</title>
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		<title>By: J. Max Wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.sixteensmallstones.org/review-the-mormons-part-1-on-pbs/comment-page-1#comment-195</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Max Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 10:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the correction concerning Eliza R. Snow, Kristine.  You are right, I was confusing her with someone else.

	As for your second point, I don’t think saying that “in &lt;strong&gt;some ways&lt;/strong&gt; it was more democratic than the U.S. [because Utah at least allowed women to vote and the U.S. revoked that right]” amounts to asserting that Utah was more democratic in absolute terms than the U.S or of trying to prove “the advanced democratic ideals of the church.”  I was merely suggesting some ways in which the documentary could have added some balancing information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the correction concerning Eliza R. Snow, Kristine.  You are right, I was confusing her with someone else.</p>
<p>	As for your second point, I don’t think saying that “in <strong>some ways</strong> it was more democratic than the U.S. [because Utah at least allowed women to vote and the U.S. revoked that right]” amounts to asserting that Utah was more democratic in absolute terms than the U.S or of trying to prove “the advanced democratic ideals of the church.”  I was merely suggesting some ways in which the documentary could have added some balancing information.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristine</title>
		<link>http://www.sixteensmallstones.org/review-the-mormons-part-1-on-pbs/comment-page-1#comment-194</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 10:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Yes, Joesph was sealed to various women who were already married to other men, including Eliza R. Snow. ”

	J. Max, this is mistaken—ERS was not married before she was sealed to Joseph.

	Also, I think it’s misleading to say that Utah’s giving women the vote was evidence of Utah’s being more “democratic” than the U.S.--they needed the women to vote because they knew women would vote with the church, and tip the balance of Mormon-Gentile voting in the state.  And plenty of church leaders opposed allowing women to vote, anyway.  I’m not complaining I love that enough leaders believed in women’s suffrage that it happened early in Utah--but it’s an oversimplification to suggest that this is evidence for the advanced democratic ideals of the church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Yes, Joesph was sealed to various women who were already married to other men, including Eliza R. Snow. ”</p>
<p>	J. Max, this is mistaken—ERS was not married before she was sealed to Joseph.</p>
<p>	Also, I think it’s misleading to say that Utah’s giving women the vote was evidence of Utah’s being more “democratic” than the U.S.&#8211;they needed the women to vote because they knew women would vote with the church, and tip the balance of Mormon-Gentile voting in the state.  And plenty of church leaders opposed allowing women to vote, anyway.  I’m not complaining I love that enough leaders believed in women’s suffrage that it happened early in Utah&#8211;but it’s an oversimplification to suggest that this is evidence for the advanced democratic ideals of the church.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Max Wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.sixteensmallstones.org/review-the-mormons-part-1-on-pbs/comment-page-1#comment-193</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Max Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 16:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>chunk,

	Thanks for pointing that out.  Yes, I am aware that the angel artwork used in the documentary when referring to the visit of Moroni is by the LDS artist J. Kirk Richards.  However, as far as I have been able to determine, it was not intended to be a depiction of the angel Moroni and so its use in the program was inappropriate to the context. Whether or not the artwork is by a Mormon artist, and whether or not the music and art are in and of themselves beautiful, well conceived, or well performed is completely irrelevant to my point.  The point is that when the music and art where purposefully joined together along with the specific topic of the documentary in which they appeared, they become a new entity that must be evaluated as a whole.  Together they created an ambiance and context that communicated a negative subtext and reinforced stereotypes rather than breaking them down.  Like you, members will easily recognize the incongruity because they have a larger context with which to contrast (they have seen Del Parson’s style representations).  But my concern is for the larger audience that is being presented the story for perhaps the first time.  Is the presentation, including the musical and visual ambiance unbiased from that point of view?  Absolutely not!

	I too know the appeal of “interestingness.”  However, it is better to be true and good than to be interesting.  “Interestingness” is a completely useless measurement if compared to accuracy and balance.  A lie can certainly make things more “interesting.” But in the eternal scheme of things the pursuit of “interestingness” is a worthless endeavor.  We should seek after truth and good, even if it makes things “far less interesting.” </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>chunk,</p>
<p>	Thanks for pointing that out.  Yes, I am aware that the angel artwork used in the documentary when referring to the visit of Moroni is by the LDS artist J. Kirk Richards.  However, as far as I have been able to determine, it was not intended to be a depiction of the angel Moroni and so its use in the program was inappropriate to the context. Whether or not the artwork is by a Mormon artist, and whether or not the music and art are in and of themselves beautiful, well conceived, or well performed is completely irrelevant to my point.  The point is that when the music and art where purposefully joined together along with the specific topic of the documentary in which they appeared, they become a new entity that must be evaluated as a whole.  Together they created an ambiance and context that communicated a negative subtext and reinforced stereotypes rather than breaking them down.  Like you, members will easily recognize the incongruity because they have a larger context with which to contrast (they have seen Del Parson’s style representations).  But my concern is for the larger audience that is being presented the story for perhaps the first time.  Is the presentation, including the musical and visual ambiance unbiased from that point of view?  Absolutely not!</p>
<p>	I too know the appeal of “interestingness.”  However, it is better to be true and good than to be interesting.  “Interestingness” is a completely useless measurement if compared to accuracy and balance.  A lie can certainly make things more “interesting.” But in the eternal scheme of things the pursuit of “interestingness” is a worthless endeavor.  We should seek after truth and good, even if it makes things “far less interesting.”</p>
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		<title>By: chunk</title>
		<link>http://www.sixteensmallstones.org/review-the-mormons-part-1-on-pbs/comment-page-1#comment-192</link>
		<dc:creator>chunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 09:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the &quot;dark&quot; artwork was created by a popular Mormon artist named J. Kirk Richards...I found the music to be moving.  The film would have been far less interesting to me if it showed the traditional (albeit beloved) Del Parson oil painting...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the &#8220;dark&#8221; artwork was created by a popular Mormon artist named J. Kirk Richards&#8230;I found the music to be moving.  The film would have been far less interesting to me if it showed the traditional (albeit beloved) Del Parson oil painting&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
		<link>http://www.sixteensmallstones.org/review-the-mormons-part-1-on-pbs/comment-page-1#comment-191</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 14:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you…in the early days they were still trying to figure it all out. Let me know when you find out more about this…you always explain it such that I understand it… no matter how odd I find it. ;-) THANKS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you…in the early days they were still trying to figure it all out. Let me know when you find out more about this…you always explain it such that I understand it… no matter how odd I find it. <img src='http://www.sixteensmallstones.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  THANKS.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Max Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Max Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 12:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Joesph was sealed to various women who were already married to other men, including Eliza R. Snow.  I am not well versed in the history of it, and I really don’t know why it was done or how it worked.  I think that at the time the saints were still trying to understand the doctrine of sealing and eternal marriage. These women were called to be sealed to Joseph instead of to their own husbands for reasons not explained.  Critics would like us to believe that being sealed to Joseph meant also they they were having sexual relations with him.  I’m not convinced that is the case.         It is something that I intend to learn more about when I can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Joesph was sealed to various women who were already married to other men, including Eliza R. Snow.  I am not well versed in the history of it, and I really don’t know why it was done or how it worked.  I think that at the time the saints were still trying to understand the doctrine of sealing and eternal marriage. These women were called to be sealed to Joseph instead of to their own husbands for reasons not explained.  Critics would like us to believe that being sealed to Joseph meant also they they were having sexual relations with him.  I’m not convinced that is the case.         It is something that I intend to learn more about when I can.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 12:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could not agree more with your review of the documentary! You are articulate and informed.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could not agree more with your review of the documentary! You are articulate and informed.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 12:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you. That was why I went away from the first part… uneasy. I hated that charcoal painting of the three faces of Joseph… I kept waiting and waiting for them to mention something about women’s right to vote and the relief society…but they never did. I was so happy to see Bro Peterson…and on Tuesday’s they show him as a young missionary. 

	There were things I learned… Mountain Meadows details. As a member of the Church in the early days – I can only imagine how hard it was. The gospel is true…but people are human…and prone to mistakes. 

	In the first part they mention that Joseph married women that were already married… is that true? Some things I couldn’t tell if they were true or not.

	I liked the second half of the presentation (tues) better… there were some funky parts… but overall thought it was somewhat better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you. That was why I went away from the first part… uneasy. I hated that charcoal painting of the three faces of Joseph… I kept waiting and waiting for them to mention something about women’s right to vote and the relief society…but they never did. I was so happy to see Bro Peterson…and on Tuesday’s they show him as a young missionary. </p>
<p>	There were things I learned… Mountain Meadows details. As a member of the Church in the early days – I can only imagine how hard it was. The gospel is true…but people are human…and prone to mistakes. </p>
<p>	In the first part they mention that Joseph married women that were already married… is that true? Some things I couldn’t tell if they were true or not.</p>
<p>	I liked the second half of the presentation (tues) better… there were some funky parts… but overall thought it was somewhat better.</p>
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