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		<title>Book of Mormon Socialism: The Marxist Gadianton Robbers</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some LDS proponents of Socialism like to compare capitalism to the infamous Gadianton Robbers in the Book of Mormon. It seems a simple line to draw between the “Profit Motive” of Capitalism and the secret combination of the Gadiantons to &#8230; <a href="http://www.sixteensmallstones.org/book-of-mormon-socialism-the-marxist-gadianton-robbers">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.sixteensmallstones.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Che-Marxist-Revolutionary.jpg" rel="lightbox[968]"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-969" style="margin: 10px;" title="Che-Marxist-Revolutionary" src="http://www.sixteensmallstones.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Che-Marxist-Revolutionary.jpg" alt="" width="200" height="271" /></a>Some LDS proponents of Socialism like to compare capitalism to the infamous <a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/triple-index/gadianton-robbers.t1?lang=eng&amp;letter=g">Gadianton Robbers</a> in the Book of Mormon. It seems a simple line to draw between the “Profit Motive” of Capitalism and the secret combination of the Gadiantons to “get gain.”  Too simple in fact. A more careful reading shows that in some ways the Gadianton Robbers seem to be more like Marxist Revolutionaries.</p>
<p><a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/bofm/3-ne/3?lang=eng#">Chapter 3 of the book of 3rd Nephi</a> in the Book of Mormon is interesting in that it is one of the few sections of the text which purports to give us a glimpse of how the Gadianton Robbers viewed themselves, rather than how they were viewed by Mormon and his Nephite protagonists. <a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/bofm/3-ne/3.2-10?lang=eng#1">Verses 2 through 10</a> are the record of an epistle written to the governor of the Nephites, Lachoneus, from the leader of the Gadianton Robbers, Giddianhi:</p>
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<blockquote><p>&#8220;2. Lachoneus, most noble and chief governor of the land, behold, I write this epistle unto you, and do give unto you exceedingly great praise because of your firmness, and also the firmness of your people, in maintaining that which ye suppose to be your right and liberty; yea, ye do stand well, as if ye were supported by the hand of a god, in the defence of your liberty, and your property, and your country, or that which ye do call so.</p>
<p>&#8220;3. And it seemeth a pity unto me, most noble Lachoneus, that ye should be so foolish and vain as to suppose that ye can stand against so many brave men who are at my command, who do now at this time stand in their arms, and do await with great anxiety for the word—Go down upon the Nephites and destroy them.</p>
<p>&#8220;4. And I, knowing of their unconquerable spirit, having proved them in the field of battle, and knowing of their everlasting hatred towards you because of the many wrongs which ye have done unto them, therefore if they should come down against you they would visit you with utter destruction.</p>
<p>&#8220;5. Therefore I have written this epistle, sealing it with mine own hand, feeling for your welfare, because of your firmness in that which ye believe to be right, and your noble spirit in the field of battle.</p>
<p>&#8220;6. Therefore I write unto you, desiring that ye would yield up unto this my people, your cities, your lands, and your possessions, rather than that they should visit you with the sword and that destruction should come upon you.</p>
<p>&#8220;7. Or in other words, yield yourselves up unto us, and unite with us and become acquainted with our secret works, and become our brethren that ye may be like unto us—not our slaves, but our brethren and partners of all our substance.</p>
<p>&#8220;8. And behold, I swear unto you, if ye will do this, with an oath, ye shall not be destroyed; but if ye will not do this, I swear unto you with an oath, that on the morrow month I will command that my armies shall come down against you, and they shall not stay their hand and shall spare not, but shall slay you, and shall let fall the sword upon you even until ye shall become extinct.</p>
<p>&#8220;9. And behold, I am Giddianhi; and I am the governor of this the secret society of Gadianton; which society and the works thereof I know to be good; and they are of ancient date and they have been handed down unto us.</p>
<p>&#8220;10. And I write this epistle unto you, Lachoneus, and I hope that ye will deliver up your lands and your possessions, without the shedding of blood, that this my people may recover their rights and government, who have dissented away from you because of your wickedness in retaining from them their rights of government, and except ye do this, I will avenge their wrongs. I am Giddianhi.”</p></blockquote>
<p>I hadn’t noticed this until recently, but it is remarkable how much Giddianhi sounds like a Marxist Revolutionary:</p>
<p>The works of the Gadiantons are &#8220;good.&#8221; They have been alienated by the wickedness of the Nephites who have withheld from them their rights, their rights of government, and done many wrongs to them. Significantly, in order to recover those rights they demand that the Nephites relinquish all their properties (&#8220;cities&#8221;, &#8220;lands&#8221;, &#8220;possessions&#8221;). They invite the Nephites to join them and become partners in all of their collective substance. If they refuse, they will be violently destroyed, with the implication that their possessions will be taken into the collective by force anyway, but that they will be killed instead of being able to enjoy them collectively.</p>
<p>Over the last few years there has been an effort among some liberal Mormons to legitimize the view that Socialism is compatible with the Restored Gospel. They sometimes cite Book of Mormon and other scriptural descriptions of an ideal, Zion society in which the people have “all things in common” and “no poor among them” as well as injunctions to care for the poor and needy, and condemnations of the “love of money” and those who “covet their own property.”</p>
<p>When the ancient scriptures describe Zion societies, with all things in common and no poor, they are curiously silent about the specifics. They describe the ends, but do not explain the means other than that it has to do with the righteousness of the people.</p>
<p>But Giddianhi’s epistle illustrates that not every society in which the participants are equal partners and have all property in common is a Zion Society, even if they do use the rhetoric of rights and justice. Sometimes those who propose to share all substance in common really are just robbers, even if in their own minds they think they are justified by the wickedness of others.</p>
<p>Some LDS advocates for Socialism cite the ends as if that alone were sufficient argument for the political means they propose to achieve them. And when someone disagrees, rather than defend the means they propose, they insinuate that those who disagree do so because they are opposed to the ends. But it is the means by which Socialists propose to create such a society that are the sticky point.</p>
<p>Are the means moral and compatible with the principles of the Restored Gospel?</p>
<p>Are the means capable of really accomplishing the ends they claim?</p>
<p>Do the means have unintended consequences that undermine their ends?</p>
<p>Do the means achieve the spiritual and moral objectives associated with the ends or just a superficial physical, material equality?</p>
<p>Do they create a Zion in the hearts of the people which then flows outward into society or do they create an artificial outward appearance of Zion, externally imposed on still covetous, wicked hearts?</p>
<p>Does it create a society of &#8220;shared substance&#8221; like the Gadianton Robbers or a Zion society of &#8220;all things in common&#8221;?</p>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">Do the means have unintended consequences that undermine their ends?</span><br />
<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: #000000; background-color: transparent; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">Do the means achieve the spiritual and moral objectives associated with the ends or just a superficial physical, material equality?</span><br />
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		<title>Video: LDS Stakes of Zion 1847 &#8211; 2004</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, individual congregations are referred to as &#8220;wards.&#8221; Wards, in turn, are organized into groups called Stakes that are roughly equivalent to a Catholic diocese. The name Stake refers to the imagery &#8230; <a href="http://www.sixteensmallstones.org/video-lds-stakes-of-zion-1847-2004">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, individual congregations are referred to as &#8220;wards.&#8221;  Wards, in turn, are organized into groups called <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/tg/s/291">Stakes</a> that are roughly equivalent to a Catholic diocese.  The name Stake refers to the imagery used by <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/isa/54/">Isaiah</a> in reference to Zion, or the Kingdom of God, comparing it to a tent that is supported and fixed to the ground by stakes.</p>
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<p>Watch this interesting 3 minute video that shows the growth of LDS Stakes throughout the world from the year 1847 through 2004. The video moves quickly through each year displaying a flash of light on the world map as each stake is established and then leaves a tiny red dot at the location.  The presentation is set to the LDS hymn &#8220;The Spirit of God.&#8221;</p>
<p>See it embeded here on the blog, or on <a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4731328707513660562">Google Video</a> .</p>
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