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	<description>The Weblog of J. Max Wilson</description>
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		<title>By: Dain Berrett</title>
		<link>http://www.sixteensmallstones.org/embeddable-distributed-content-from-mormonorg/comment-page-1#comment-214</link>
		<dc:creator>Dain Berrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 03:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely! I’ve already posted this video on my family website (I’d post the url but it isn’t accessible without a login). I was looking for the exact same thing, a special section of lds.org with javascript and widgets. That’s how I found your website, I was searching for lds.org widgets. Imagine the implications for sharing the gospel!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely! I’ve already posted this video on my family website (I’d post the url but it isn’t accessible without a login). I was looking for the exact same thing, a special section of lds.org with javascript and widgets. That’s how I found your website, I was searching for lds.org widgets. Imagine the implications for sharing the gospel!</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.sixteensmallstones.org/embeddable-distributed-content-from-mormonorg/comment-page-1#comment-213</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 23:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I would like is a snazzy way to drive people to mormon.org from my blog.  An example is this js banner provided by one.org.  Easily done.  Do you know of such a banner?

  http://action.one.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I would like is a snazzy way to drive people to mormon.org from my blog.  An example is this js banner provided by one.org.  Easily done.  Do you know of such a banner?</p>
<p>  <a href="http://action.one.org" rel="nofollow">http://action.one.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jon in Austin</title>
		<link>http://www.sixteensmallstones.org/embeddable-distributed-content-from-mormonorg/comment-page-1#comment-211</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon in Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 21:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jmax,

	Love the links and info. A couple brief comments about your blog:

	The background makes reading anything here pain.

	Tab order is messed in that tabbing from Name to Email to Website to Comment jumps to the top of the page on tabbing from Website to Comment. That is all, have a superior day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jmax,</p>
<p>	Love the links and info. A couple brief comments about your blog:</p>
<p>	The background makes reading anything here pain.</p>
<p>	Tab order is messed in that tabbing from Name to Email to Website to Comment jumps to the top of the page on tabbing from Website to Comment. That is all, have a superior day.</p>
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		<title>By: danithew</title>
		<link>http://www.sixteensmallstones.org/embeddable-distributed-content-from-mormonorg/comment-page-1#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator>danithew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 09:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JMax, that favicon is very cool.  I used to want to do an animated .gif favicon but when I tried it, it didn’t work.  Something has changed since then, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JMax, that favicon is very cool.  I used to want to do an animated .gif favicon but when I tried it, it didn’t work.  Something has changed since then, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Max Wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.sixteensmallstones.org/embeddable-distributed-content-from-mormonorg/comment-page-1#comment-209</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Max Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 09:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Off Topic]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;:) The animated favicon only works in Firefox, I think.  It is just a standard animated .gif that I created using the free &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.povray.org&quot;&gt;Persistence of Vision&lt;/a&gt; ray tracer. The animated gif is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sixteensmallstones.org/images/favicon.gif&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; .  In order to make it my favicon I just add the following line to my HTML header:

&lt;link rel=&quot;shortcut icon&quot; href=&quot;/images/favicon.gif&quot; type=&quot;image/x-icon&quot; /&gt;

	Firefox then uses the animated gif as the favicon for my blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Off Topic]</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.sixteensmallstones.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  The animated favicon only works in Firefox, I think.  It is just a standard animated .gif that I created using the free <a href="http://www.povray.org">Persistence of Vision</a> ray tracer. The animated gif is <a href="http://www.sixteensmallstones.org/images/favicon.gif">here</a> .  In order to make it my favicon I just add the following line to my HTML header:</p>
<p>&lt;link rel=&#8221;shortcut icon&#8221; href=&#8221;/images/favicon.gif&#8221; type=&#8221;image/x-icon&#8221; /&gt;</p>
<p>	Firefox then uses the animated gif as the favicon for my blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Alison Moore Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.sixteensmallstones.org/embeddable-distributed-content-from-mormonorg/comment-page-1#comment-208</link>
		<dc:creator>Alison Moore Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 17:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now you can tell us how you create the animated favicon. Never seen one before. Cool!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now you can tell us how you create the animated favicon. Never seen one before. Cool!</p>
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		<title>By: J. Max Wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.sixteensmallstones.org/embeddable-distributed-content-from-mormonorg/comment-page-1#comment-206</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Max Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 10:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right, TedB, that is a concern.  And while I think it needs to be taken into consideration, I don’t think they should be overly concerned about it. I don’t think it would be too difficult to mitigate the problems you cite.

	First of all, the embeddable content would have to be a little different than what is currently available on mormon.org.  The videos, or other distributable objects, would have to be self-contained presentations, rather than page-context dependent.  As such, each would provide context as well as contain its own copyright notice and attribution (with a link back to mormon.org).

	Secondly, while the context in which they are embedded is outside of the church’s control, the content of the embeddable objects is still being served from the church’s mormon.org server.  That means the church maintains control of the content that is actually delivered to the user’s browser for the embedded portion of the page, including copyright displays and attribution.

	The church might also consider releasing the objects under a &lt;a href=&quot;http://creativecommons.org/about/licenses&quot;&gt;Creative Commons&lt;/a&gt; license, probably an &lt;a href=&quot;http://creativecommons.org/license/results-one?field_commercial=n&amp;field_derivatives=n&amp;lang=en&quot;&gt;Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 License&lt;/a&gt;.

	With those considerations, I don’t think that copyright will be much of a problem.

	While I agree that we should be concerned about misuse by antagonistic websites, I don’t think that providing embeddable content makes the kinds of misuse you cite much more likely than they already are.

	Take for instance your example of a parody that plays side-by-side with an embedded video.  Any website owner who wants to do this can already do so by using an iframe tag with the src attribute pointed to the original video on the mormon.org, or they can do as I have done in my example above and use the view source function of their browser on the mormon.org website, and with only minor modification to add http://www.mormon.org/ to the beginning of the filenames, copy and paste the embedded the video directly into their website.  Even if they aren’t that savvy, the can simply post their parody on their website with a link back to the original on mormon.org and achieve for all intents and purposes the same effect.  So providing embeddable objects really doesn’t increase the chances of this kind of antagonism any more than having the videos on the web in the first place already does.

	As for your second example of a video taken out of context and then attacked as a strawman by an antagonistic website, the same is true as with the parody.  They can already do this if they want to.  Providing embeddable objects that are self-contained presentations, as discussed earlier would actually provide improved protection against this kind of abuse.  Currently if I copy and paste the embedded video from mormon.org, as in the examples in my post, the video has no context and so it is easier to abuse in this way than an embeddable object would be.

The church would probably want to include a disclaimer on its embeddable content portal something like this: Websites featuring embedded content from Mormon.org in no way represent the church in any official capacity neither does embedded content from mormon.org that appears on third party sites imply church endorsement or approval of those sites or any of their other content.

	If I am right about this, then embeddable content from mormon.org would provide great benefits without appreciably increasing the chances for misuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right, TedB, that is a concern.  And while I think it needs to be taken into consideration, I don’t think they should be overly concerned about it. I don’t think it would be too difficult to mitigate the problems you cite.</p>
<p>	First of all, the embeddable content would have to be a little different than what is currently available on mormon.org.  The videos, or other distributable objects, would have to be self-contained presentations, rather than page-context dependent.  As such, each would provide context as well as contain its own copyright notice and attribution (with a link back to mormon.org).</p>
<p>	Secondly, while the context in which they are embedded is outside of the church’s control, the content of the embeddable objects is still being served from the church’s mormon.org server.  That means the church maintains control of the content that is actually delivered to the user’s browser for the embedded portion of the page, including copyright displays and attribution.</p>
<p>	The church might also consider releasing the objects under a <a href="http://creativecommons.org/about/licenses">Creative Commons</a> license, probably an <a href="http://creativecommons.org/license/results-one?field_commercial=n&#038;field_derivatives=n&#038;lang=en">Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 License</a>.</p>
<p>	With those considerations, I don’t think that copyright will be much of a problem.</p>
<p>	While I agree that we should be concerned about misuse by antagonistic websites, I don’t think that providing embeddable content makes the kinds of misuse you cite much more likely than they already are.</p>
<p>	Take for instance your example of a parody that plays side-by-side with an embedded video.  Any website owner who wants to do this can already do so by using an iframe tag with the src attribute pointed to the original video on the mormon.org, or they can do as I have done in my example above and use the view source function of their browser on the mormon.org website, and with only minor modification to add <a href="http://www.mormon.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mormon.org/</a> to the beginning of the filenames, copy and paste the embedded the video directly into their website.  Even if they aren’t that savvy, the can simply post their parody on their website with a link back to the original on mormon.org and achieve for all intents and purposes the same effect.  So providing embeddable objects really doesn’t increase the chances of this kind of antagonism any more than having the videos on the web in the first place already does.</p>
<p>	As for your second example of a video taken out of context and then attacked as a strawman by an antagonistic website, the same is true as with the parody.  They can already do this if they want to.  Providing embeddable objects that are self-contained presentations, as discussed earlier would actually provide improved protection against this kind of abuse.  Currently if I copy and paste the embedded video from mormon.org, as in the examples in my post, the video has no context and so it is easier to abuse in this way than an embeddable object would be.</p>
<p>The church would probably want to include a disclaimer on its embeddable content portal something like this: Websites featuring embedded content from Mormon.org in no way represent the church in any official capacity neither does embedded content from mormon.org that appears on third party sites imply church endorsement or approval of those sites or any of their other content.</p>
<p>	If I am right about this, then embeddable content from mormon.org would provide great benefits without appreciably increasing the chances for misuse.</p>
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		<title>By: TedB</title>
		<link>http://www.sixteensmallstones.org/embeddable-distributed-content-from-mormonorg/comment-page-1#comment-205</link>
		<dc:creator>TedB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 21:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another potential problem for the church is lack of control over context. Unscrupulous or antagonistic site owners could do damage with this kind of access: - a parody plays after the real deal - an anti-mormon site plays a video out of context, then rips it up. - General copyright concerns. Can the church maintain copyright of the material without having to constantly police to be sure that credit is give, copyright displayed, etc. This is not that important to a lot of those sharing videos right now, but I think it would be important to the Church. - etc.

	Of course these are also issues with text, but video costs more to produce, can have a bigger impact, and might feel more authoritative (whether in context or out). So... I think the risk is bigger. Still-it&#039;s an interesting idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another potential problem for the church is lack of control over context. Unscrupulous or antagonistic site owners could do damage with this kind of access: &#8211; a parody plays after the real deal &#8211; an anti-mormon site plays a video out of context, then rips it up. &#8211; General copyright concerns. Can the church maintain copyright of the material without having to constantly police to be sure that credit is give, copyright displayed, etc. This is not that important to a lot of those sharing videos right now, but I think it would be important to the Church. &#8211; etc.</p>
<p>	Of course these are also issues with text, but video costs more to produce, can have a bigger impact, and might feel more authoritative (whether in context or out). So&#8230; I think the risk is bigger. Still-it&#8217;s an interesting idea.</p>
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		<title>By: m&m</title>
		<link>http://www.sixteensmallstones.org/embeddable-distributed-content-from-mormonorg/comment-page-1#comment-204</link>
		<dc:creator>m&m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 12:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would definitely embed videos or other content. (I have to admit, though, that there is something about mormon.org right now that doesn’t gel with me….)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would definitely embed videos or other content. (I have to admit, though, that there is something about mormon.org right now that doesn’t gel with me….)</p>
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		<title>By: J. Max Wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.sixteensmallstones.org/embeddable-distributed-content-from-mormonorg/comment-page-1#comment-203</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Max Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 09:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, David, Naiah, and Alison for your enthusiastic feedback.  I submitted the idea to the church technology forum and have been told that it has been forwarded on to the team in charge of mormon.org development, and that similar ideas were being discussed internally.  It will be very exciting to see the role that technology will play in spreading the gospel.  Do any of you have ideas for other kinds of embeddable widgets that the church could provide to members through mormon.org?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, David, Naiah, and Alison for your enthusiastic feedback.  I submitted the idea to the church technology forum and have been told that it has been forwarded on to the team in charge of mormon.org development, and that similar ideas were being discussed internally.  It will be very exciting to see the role that technology will play in spreading the gospel.  Do any of you have ideas for other kinds of embeddable widgets that the church could provide to members through mormon.org?</p>
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		<title>By: Alison Moore Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.sixteensmallstones.org/embeddable-distributed-content-from-mormonorg/comment-page-1#comment-202</link>
		<dc:creator>Alison Moore Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 16:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love such functionality. What a missionary tool!</description>
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		<title>By: Naiah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 07:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YES!  This is a great idea.  I&#039;d definitely use it.  Good thinking.  Someone needs point Larry R at this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YES!  This is a great idea.  I&#8217;d definitely use it.  Good thinking.  Someone needs point Larry R at this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 21:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great idea. It would be great to be able to use my website to help distribute content produced by the church.</description>
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