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		<title>Comment on Why Privatizing Marriage is Not the Solution by <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1271478667">Geoff Biddulph</fb:name></title>
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		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1271478667">Geoff Biddulph</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 13:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very thoughtful post.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Why Privatizing Marriage is Not the Solution by J. Max Wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.sixteensmallstones.org/why-privatizing-marriage-is-not-the-solution/comment-page-1#comment-847</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Max Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, you are ignoring the concept of common-law marriage. Civil marriage wasn&#039;t invented, it arose naturally as it became necessary for the law to recognize common law marriages.

Yes, marriage was meant to regulate unwanted procreation. Your citation of inter-racial marriage unfairly leaves out incestuous marriage. Government can properly regulate marriage to prevent and obviate sibling, parent-child, or cousin marriage, based on natural law.

Regulation of inter-racial marriage was an illegitimate use of that power, but the power itself is legitimate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, you are ignoring the concept of common-law marriage. Civil marriage wasn&#8217;t invented, it arose naturally as it became necessary for the law to recognize common law marriages.</p>
<p>Yes, marriage was meant to regulate unwanted procreation. Your citation of inter-racial marriage unfairly leaves out incestuous marriage. Government can properly regulate marriage to prevent and obviate sibling, parent-child, or cousin marriage, based on natural law.</p>
<p>Regulation of inter-racial marriage was an illegitimate use of that power, but the power itself is legitimate.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Privatizing Marriage is Not the Solution by <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="671526513">Jeffrey Thayne</fb:name></title>
		<link>http://www.sixteensmallstones.org/why-privatizing-marriage-is-not-the-solution/comment-page-1#comment-846</link>
		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="671526513">Jeffrey Thayne</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;So Civil Marriage arose out of a biological, natural, and legal necessity. As long as government must be involved in the issues of paternity (inheritance; child support; abandonment; adoption; dividing assets between divorcees; protecting parental rights related to education, discipline, and health) government will have an interest in marriage.&lt;/b&gt;

This is simply not true. Especially in our day and age, parental obligations can and are enforced without marriage even being in the picture. A man who has a child with a woman to whom he isn&#039;t married can, and often is, required by law to provide for and contribute to the child&#039;s well-being. Enforcing parental obligations (especially in our day and age in which parental status is easily determined) does not require government to license marriage. This is a completely fallacious argument.

The historical case you make is inaccurate. Civil marriage was invented as a means to prevent and obviate unwanted marriages from happening (interracial, for example). Prior to the advent of civil marriage, families could and were maintained in the absence of government licensing of marriage.

I feel like making marriage a &lt;i&gt;civil&lt;/i&gt; issue is when those who oppose the family won the semantic game. By placing the definition of marriage, and the boundaries of marriage, within the power of government, they ensured that someday they could change the institution and enforce those changes on others. It&#039;s only because of the existence of civil marriage that we&#039;re even in danger. If marriage wasn&#039;t licensed by government, we wouldn&#039;t be &lt;i&gt;legally&lt;/i&gt; threatened by shifting cultural tides. We would still be &lt;i&gt;morally&lt;/i&gt; threatened, but just not legally threatened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>So Civil Marriage arose out of a biological, natural, and legal necessity. As long as government must be involved in the issues of paternity (inheritance; child support; abandonment; adoption; dividing assets between divorcees; protecting parental rights related to education, discipline, and health) government will have an interest in marriage.</b></p>
<p>This is simply not true. Especially in our day and age, parental obligations can and are enforced without marriage even being in the picture. A man who has a child with a woman to whom he isn&#8217;t married can, and often is, required by law to provide for and contribute to the child&#8217;s well-being. Enforcing parental obligations (especially in our day and age in which parental status is easily determined) does not require government to license marriage. This is a completely fallacious argument.</p>
<p>The historical case you make is inaccurate. Civil marriage was invented as a means to prevent and obviate unwanted marriages from happening (interracial, for example). Prior to the advent of civil marriage, families could and were maintained in the absence of government licensing of marriage.</p>
<p>I feel like making marriage a <i>civil</i> issue is when those who oppose the family won the semantic game. By placing the definition of marriage, and the boundaries of marriage, within the power of government, they ensured that someday they could change the institution and enforce those changes on others. It&#8217;s only because of the existence of civil marriage that we&#8217;re even in danger. If marriage wasn&#8217;t licensed by government, we wouldn&#8217;t be <i>legally</i> threatened by shifting cultural tides. We would still be <i>morally</i> threatened, but just not legally threatened.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Timeline of Book of Mormon and Old Testament Prophets 800 BC &#8211; 400 BC by <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="694060152">Oak Norton</fb:name></title>
		<link>http://www.sixteensmallstones.org/timeline-book-of-mormon-prophets-and-old-testament-prophets-800-bc-400-bc/comment-page-1#comment-845</link>
		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="694060152">Oak Norton</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 13:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice work Max. I think you could safely extend Lehi and Nephi&#039;s starting point backward a ways. Nephi was probably in his late teens if he could pass for Laban and so he was probably born around 615 B.C. rather than starting his line around 598 or so. Lehi then would have been born probably at least 20 years earlier since Nephi had older brothers and we don&#039;t know the gaps in age. I&#039;d think it was safe to at least put Lehi&#039;s line around 635 B.C. as a starting point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work Max. I think you could safely extend Lehi and Nephi&#8217;s starting point backward a ways. Nephi was probably in his late teens if he could pass for Laban and so he was probably born around 615 B.C. rather than starting his line around 598 or so. Lehi then would have been born probably at least 20 years earlier since Nephi had older brothers and we don&#8217;t know the gaps in age. I&#8217;d think it was safe to at least put Lehi&#8217;s line around 635 B.C. as a starting point.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Mitt Romney &#8211; Ron Paul Nexus: They&#8217;re More Similar Than You Think by J. Max Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Max Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 16:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy, notice that I did not say &quot;They&#039;re the same!&quot; I said that laying aside ideology (which is certainly an important thing) and looking at the specifics of what they say they will do, they are more similar than most people think.

I simply compared the plans that both candidates have published on their websites. And both plans focus on the financial state of the nation and shrinking the size and cost of government, so money ended up being the emphasis.

Of course there is far more to life than money. But right now the size of government and the economy are two of the biggest problems the nation faces and so it is natural that people are concerned about money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy, notice that I did not say &#8220;They&#8217;re the same!&#8221; I said that laying aside ideology (which is certainly an important thing) and looking at the specifics of what they say they will do, they are more similar than most people think.</p>
<p>I simply compared the plans that both candidates have published on their websites. And both plans focus on the financial state of the nation and shrinking the size and cost of government, so money ended up being the emphasis.</p>
<p>Of course there is far more to life than money. But right now the size of government and the economy are two of the biggest problems the nation faces and so it is natural that people are concerned about money.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Mitt Romney &#8211; Ron Paul Nexus: They&#8217;re More Similar Than You Think by <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="760353884">Jeremy Nicoll</fb:name></title>
		<link>http://www.sixteensmallstones.org/the-mitt-romney-ron-paul-nexus-theyre-more-similar-than-you-think/comment-page-1#comment-843</link>
		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="760353884">Jeremy Nicoll</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 05:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, it really bugs me that you only pay attention to financial policy and then say &quot;They&#039;re the same!&quot; Last time I checked, there was a lot more to life than just money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, it really bugs me that you only pay attention to financial policy and then say &#8220;They&#8217;re the same!&#8221; Last time I checked, there was a lot more to life than just money.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Which Actor Will Play The Part of President Mitt Romney (Or Whoever Wins The 2012 Election)? by Bookslinger</title>
		<link>http://www.sixteensmallstones.org/which-actor-will-play-the-part-of-president-mitt-romney-or-whoever-wins-the-2012-election/comment-page-1#comment-833</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookslinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 03:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Goodman could play Chris Christie.
Tina Fey already has Sarah down pat.

I agree with Chastity on Ian McKellen playing Ron Paul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Goodman could play Chris Christie.<br />
Tina Fey already has Sarah down pat.</p>
<p>I agree with Chastity on Ian McKellen playing Ron Paul.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Dirty Secret That Afghanistan and Hollywood Have In Common by Bookslinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bookslinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 03:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s society-wide.  I&#039;ve read stats (with which I agree) that at least 25% of girls and 12% of boys are sexually molested during childhood.  And it&#039;s even much higher for inner-city minorities.  I think those figures are also a minimum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s society-wide.  I&#8217;ve read stats (with which I agree) that at least 25% of girls and 12% of boys are sexually molested during childhood.  And it&#8217;s even much higher for inner-city minorities.  I think those figures are also a minimum.</p>
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		<title>Comment on HAIR WARS: Mitt Romney vs Newt Gingrich by Bookslinger</title>
		<link>http://www.sixteensmallstones.org/hair-wars-mitt-romney-vs-newt-gingrich/comment-page-1#comment-831</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookslinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 03:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If evangelical women will vote for Mitt because he has nice hair and teeth, I&#039;m all for it. 

Mitt is not my ideal candidate, but he&#039;s better than Gingrich.  And if Ron Paul were to win the primary, I don&#039;t think he could beat the Bamster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If evangelical women will vote for Mitt because he has nice hair and teeth, I&#8217;m all for it. </p>
<p>Mitt is not my ideal candidate, but he&#8217;s better than Gingrich.  And if Ron Paul were to win the primary, I don&#8217;t think he could beat the Bamster.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Dirty Secret That Afghanistan and Hollywood Have In Common by <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="887360703">Daniel Bartholomew</fb:name></title>
		<link>http://www.sixteensmallstones.org/the-dirty-secret-that-afghanistan-and-hollywood-have-in-common/comment-page-1#comment-827</link>
		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="887360703">Daniel Bartholomew</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 22:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Corey Feldman came out with this accusation a long time ago and it seemed at the time that even though it was reported in the press there wasn&#039;t much reaction.  I wonder why Feldman refuses to name his abuser(s) but maybe he has a good reason.

Recently with Sandusky being interviewed, I thought maybe the press was doing too much to put a human face on an abuser.  Of course every person has to have there day in court - but it seems likely that he is guilty.  Hard to say where reporters should draw the line when speaking to someone who is accused of committing this type of crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Corey Feldman came out with this accusation a long time ago and it seemed at the time that even though it was reported in the press there wasn&#8217;t much reaction.  I wonder why Feldman refuses to name his abuser(s) but maybe he has a good reason.</p>
<p>Recently with Sandusky being interviewed, I thought maybe the press was doing too much to put a human face on an abuser.  Of course every person has to have there day in court &#8211; but it seems likely that he is guilty.  Hard to say where reporters should draw the line when speaking to someone who is accused of committing this type of crime.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I Was Constrained By The Spirit That I Should Vote For&#8230; by Bookslinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bookslinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2011 04:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes a bishop is inspired of the Lord to extend a calling to someone, but the Lord doesn&#039;t really want that person in the calling.  I&#039;ve read from several people how the Lord sometimes does that in order to get the person in for an interview.  

So to expound on the previous comment, some of which was already stated or hinted at.

1. Just cuz the Lord tells you to vote for someone, doesn&#039;t mean the Lord wants that person to win the election.

2. Just cuz the Lord tells you to vote for someone, doesn&#039;t mean He also wants you to campaign for him.

3. The Lord may have no preference on who should win, so asking the Lord who to vote for may be a moot point. 

4. Maybe the Lord does leave politics up to us.  Maybe He says: &quot;Hey, it&#039;s _your_ city/state/country.  _YOU_ guys are in charge of running it, and electing who _YOU_ collectively want.   But just remember _YOU_ have to live with the consquences.

In my opinion, there are no perfect outcomes in elections.  There are no perfect me, so there are no perfect politicians.  It may really be the lesser of two evils. 

And, given that the Lord&#039;s knowledge is all-encompassing, maybe the &quot;least evil&quot; candidate really has no chance of winning, due to the sheer number of voters who are not seeking the Lord&#039;s will.

Personally, I&#039;m of the opinion (though I can&#039;t prove the point) that the Lord&#039;s viewpoint is: &quot;Hey, that stuff is up to you.  You gotta make your choice and live with it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes a bishop is inspired of the Lord to extend a calling to someone, but the Lord doesn&#8217;t really want that person in the calling.  I&#8217;ve read from several people how the Lord sometimes does that in order to get the person in for an interview.  </p>
<p>So to expound on the previous comment, some of which was already stated or hinted at.</p>
<p>1. Just cuz the Lord tells you to vote for someone, doesn&#8217;t mean the Lord wants that person to win the election.</p>
<p>2. Just cuz the Lord tells you to vote for someone, doesn&#8217;t mean He also wants you to campaign for him.</p>
<p>3. The Lord may have no preference on who should win, so asking the Lord who to vote for may be a moot point. </p>
<p>4. Maybe the Lord does leave politics up to us.  Maybe He says: &#8220;Hey, it&#8217;s _your_ city/state/country.  _YOU_ guys are in charge of running it, and electing who _YOU_ collectively want.   But just remember _YOU_ have to live with the consquences.</p>
<p>In my opinion, there are no perfect outcomes in elections.  There are no perfect me, so there are no perfect politicians.  It may really be the lesser of two evils. </p>
<p>And, given that the Lord&#8217;s knowledge is all-encompassing, maybe the &#8220;least evil&#8221; candidate really has no chance of winning, due to the sheer number of voters who are not seeking the Lord&#8217;s will.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;m of the opinion (though I can&#8217;t prove the point) that the Lord&#8217;s viewpoint is: &#8220;Hey, that stuff is up to you.  You gotta make your choice and live with it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on I Was Constrained By The Spirit That I Should Vote For&#8230; by Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2011 02:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good reminder for one who believes in personal revelation to ask for it humbly. Thanks.

The questions you ask bring up some interesting thoughts. If it were just the first part, I might ask myself why the Lord wants me to vote for this candidate and not worry about whether the candidate is the Lord&#039;s choice or not. I might think the important lesson is for me and doesn&#039;t necessarily have any bearing on more global desires of the Lord. Add the second part, and I might feel an increased need to campaign in some fashion for that candidate, despite its going against my better judgment, and that would be hard. As for looking indecisive, friends and mature people will realize that life is complex and there may be any number of good reasons for a change of this kind, and later a change back again.

Another question that might come from a situation like this is, what does it mean if this candidate doesn&#039;t win the election?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good reminder for one who believes in personal revelation to ask for it humbly. Thanks.</p>
<p>The questions you ask bring up some interesting thoughts. If it were just the first part, I might ask myself why the Lord wants me to vote for this candidate and not worry about whether the candidate is the Lord&#8217;s choice or not. I might think the important lesson is for me and doesn&#8217;t necessarily have any bearing on more global desires of the Lord. Add the second part, and I might feel an increased need to campaign in some fashion for that candidate, despite its going against my better judgment, and that would be hard. As for looking indecisive, friends and mature people will realize that life is complex and there may be any number of good reasons for a change of this kind, and later a change back again.</p>
<p>Another question that might come from a situation like this is, what does it mean if this candidate doesn&#8217;t win the election?</p>
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		<title>Comment on LDS Correlation, Catholic Correlation, and Protection from Apostasy by Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.sixteensmallstones.org/lds-correlation-catholic-correlation-and-protection-from-apostasy/comment-page-1#comment-823</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 04:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correlation does some wonderful things, particularly as we have a continually growing, world church. I think the geographical division of wards is a great thing, even if I currently feel like an ideological loner. It helps me be more humble. However, I also recognize that any organizational rule applied without considering the needs of the individual has the potential to hurt people. I believe correlation is an inspired program, but I pray that we will always have inspired local leaders willing to break the rules for individuals that need something different to help them in their path to Christ. We receive light and knowledge as we are prepared for it. That means there will always be people both ahead and behind the institutional church in understanding truths, and most of us will be both ahead and behind, depending on the topic. If a correlated doctrinal orthodoxy becomes the measure of apostasy, rather than the covenants we make and the temple recommend questions, than it doesn&#039;t fit with the priesthood authority I see in D&amp;C 121. If it is a guide to help us focus on the most important principles of the gospel in our communal worship, then I can be fully behind it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correlation does some wonderful things, particularly as we have a continually growing, world church. I think the geographical division of wards is a great thing, even if I currently feel like an ideological loner. It helps me be more humble. However, I also recognize that any organizational rule applied without considering the needs of the individual has the potential to hurt people. I believe correlation is an inspired program, but I pray that we will always have inspired local leaders willing to break the rules for individuals that need something different to help them in their path to Christ. We receive light and knowledge as we are prepared for it. That means there will always be people both ahead and behind the institutional church in understanding truths, and most of us will be both ahead and behind, depending on the topic. If a correlated doctrinal orthodoxy becomes the measure of apostasy, rather than the covenants we make and the temple recommend questions, than it doesn&#8217;t fit with the priesthood authority I see in D&amp;C 121. If it is a guide to help us focus on the most important principles of the gospel in our communal worship, then I can be fully behind it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on LDS Correlation, Catholic Correlation, and Protection from Apostasy by ShannonNielsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>ShannonNielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 20:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loved learning from this about the process of correlation something I hadn&#039;t known before &amp; our parents both sides were converts post 1972.  What a testament to divine inspiration!  Neat to know about the coming changes for the structure in the Catholic church.  I have an Aunt who is Catholic so it will be fun to have that discussion.  Thanks for sharing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loved learning from this about the process of correlation something I hadn&#8217;t known before &amp; our parents both sides were converts post 1972.  What a testament to divine inspiration!  Neat to know about the coming changes for the structure in the Catholic church.  I have an Aunt who is Catholic so it will be fun to have that discussion.  Thanks for sharing!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Original Poetry: By the Hand of Uriah by <fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1271478667">Geoff Biddulph</fb:name></title>
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		<dc:creator><fb:name linked="false" useyou="false" uid="1271478667">Geoff Biddulph</fb:name></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 20:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jmax, what a contrast between worldly kings and heavenly kings.  The first will always disappoint us, the second never will.  Btw, I would recommend the KJV as read by James Earl Jones, that would be really, really cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jmax, what a contrast between worldly kings and heavenly kings.  The first will always disappoint us, the second never will.  Btw, I would recommend the KJV as read by James Earl Jones, that would be really, really cool.</p>
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